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And again..... I don't believe the folowing post made it across the vast expanse of cyberspace that seemingly surrounds Colorado.Also let me pre-P.S. that I remember hearing Elvin Jones talk about the fact that once in Philadelphia at a gig wth Coltrane they did a three hour rendition of this one tune and that the experience was not lost on either the players or the audience.Also Mr. Williams will be sorely missed....51 years old...man that sucks.PeaceDear Loopers, In response to this thread of artists/entertainers perhaps the problem lies in perspective or lack thereof. Instrumental music is truly blessed with a total absence of the linquistics and semantics broohaha that seems to scuttle and leave for dead the majority of other musical styles. It's sad enough that even without this burden there is the perpetual critical analysis of the form as it relates to composition and notation. Critics make more money talking about this vapid pursuit of labels and form than most musicians will ever see as result of having created the work in question, furthering that insulted injury by requiring one to declare his/her intention (art or entertainment) is poor use of our limited time on this plane of existance and of no value musically, though an interesting exercise in verbal play. In that the majority of the works created in the forum of "looped" music falls clearly into the instrumental (or at least non-lyrical) catagory, I propose that this music and it's players deserve a kinder fate than can possibly be reached through an extended dialogue about labels and the value therein. Bryan Helm (Looper...not artist.. not entertainer) "Shut up and play yer guitar" Frank Zappa