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Warning: rather gear-specific post for 'Plexers, but I'd be interested if any other phrase samplers are used this way: Following Kim Flint's tip, I experimented with extremely short loops (fractions/second) by setting the Echoplex Record function to "SuS"tain mode (where loop length is determined by how long you hold the Record button.) analog monosynth --> 'Plex --> multieffects processor 1) virtually any sound source will work...the actual pitch of the recorded loop becomes secondary to the timbral shifting you can do with judicious use of phasers, flangers, etc., downstream. I've started with mainly raw synth tones, but also voice effects from a vintage tube mic. 2) I can tap in, say, a 0.12 second loop which repeats as a blurry wash of tone (remarkably minimal startpoint "popping" depending on the static in the room, I guess) Then, I effect the crap out of it, generally with a mod effect set to a slow speed and high depth (WWWWaaaaaavvvvYYYYYYyyyy ggggrrRRRRRRRAAAAaaaavvvVVVYYYYyyyyy) SUPERfun! 3) A quick tap o' the Insert button (with no incoming signal) cuts in a short space that separates each microloop, producing a continuous pulsation. Dial up a delay time that is some even fraction of this, set the delay feedback to -99%, add some additional live synth input (also effected, but not added to the loop), and you're good to go with a swirling percussive throbbing drone of microloops. Next task: sync the microloops to a 16th-note beat from the MIDI sequencer...the effected microloop is PERFECT for techno/dance/rave applications. The "default" techno tempo is 120bpm (try counting seconds out loud while watching MTV's "Amp" show sometime...) My goal is an exact 1/480th-of-a-minute loop (sixteenths of that beat) = 1/8 second = 0.125. Haven't hooked the 'Plex up to MIDI yet...plan to do so straightaway.... Way cool, Kim! Thanks for the idea! Right after I upgrade to the full 16 Mb RAM, I stop making looptimes more than shavings of a second long |%) --Russell