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kim... I recommend shutting down the list for a month and setting fire to the bed. That'll teach 'em. Hey, I'll set fire to my bed, too! Let's ALL set fire to our beds!!! Maybe they'll show up to bulldoze all our homes by the time the plex, rang and jimjam updates actually arrive. I'm guessing this stuff MUST be Biblical, something no one really knows and a little scared of. --the spare kim