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At 02:41 PM 6/6/97 +0200, you wrote: >On 6/4/97 you wrote: >> >>and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to >achieve >>by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. >>Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial >>Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops >created on >>the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build >traditional >>sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the >looper's >>cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on >>with all this equipment and talent and ... >> I'm new to this list so this seems an appropriate opportunity for an introduction. I play guitar through a VG-8 into a Roland RPS-10 into a JamMan into an AC30. My partner, Cheryl Wanner, runs her voice through a JamMan (sometimes) and plays bass and wire strung harp. We do sort of tone poems and sound paintings, any other categoies and labels we leave to whoever wants to saddle themselves with them. Some samples of our stuff are on our website, <http://www.chaneel1.com/users/seahorse>. Our use of loops came from filling in the spaces that not having other players opened up. We don't use drums or drum machines, so loops help create a nice percolating rhythm when needed. I find, that like the person who just expanded his memory on his JamMan, I also use the loop function to lay down a backing track and play 'live' parts over it for a live multitracking approach, on some material. As time passes, we are using more of the JamMan's capabilities in our material. Cheryl now samples vocal lines on the fly and inserts them backwards and forwards in harmony (sung live) as the mood moves her. Initially, she was just creating and layering a few loops. While a lot of this stuff is fairly elementary useage of looping technology, it fills the bill for our needs and is providing new avenues of exploration for us. Although I can't see us becoming an all loop experience, we are certainly enjoying exploring the different possibilities. I found the main revelation of the Torn videos to be the use of a mixer in his setup. I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the video and while I knew and utilised a lot of the ideas he mentioned already about using the various sounds your equipment generates, I found it a very inspiring two hours that made me want to create some new noises and loops (always a good thing). Given the future (or lack thereof) of the JamMan, we have been considering buying a spare and upgrading it for those emergency situations where your main toy suddenly stops working. Of course, having said that, and seeing the Oberheim Echoplexes are actually still in production (and shipping, it seems), the thought of buying one and switching over to that has crossed my mind, too. Mainly for the 'undo' function. The ability to create mini-loops on the VG-8 with its delay and layer them into the JamMan's main loops is key for a few of the pieces we do, but I'd love to be able to remove them as well as the song progresses. As it stands now, I can create them 'live' on the VG-8 and not add them to the Jam Man loops, so I drop them out of the mix by switching patches. The problem is, sometimes I'd like to switch patches and leave the loop there and remove it later. By the way, what's the loopers CD referenced above? Frank Gerace Dreamchild