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I'm into the Vortex patch swap idea-the rest of y'all should speak up if it gets annoying. This is one of my favorites for leads-it's a kind of a ring modulated deal. Shimmer B mix- 64 output- 64 mod level- 0 echo level- 64 morph- 16 envelope- 32 echo 1- 2 echo 2- 3 feedback 1- 28 feedback 2-37 rate 1-61 depth 1-61 resonance 1- 4 rate 2- 20 depth 2-59 resonance 2-16 I'm hoping that by swapping our sounds, I'll have a better sense of how to exploit the swirly beast. Like, both of the patches folks posted before were for looping and involved morphing between series and parallel delays, right? I never thought of that before. It's going to be fun to play with. This sound here is one of those things where you're going to hear only the delayed sound, so tap a musical interval (like, 1 or 2 beats, or a measure, depenmding on tempo) and play that much ahead of the rest of what's going on on stage (this visually freaks people out too, like a poorly dubbed movie, a bonus stolen from Henry Kaiser). You could get just the modulated sound, instead of just the delayed, but I like how this sounds-running the modulated stuff through the echo for the short time gives it a cool doubled effect and with a longer tapped time, the 2/3 echo comes into play. I like the sound of ring modulation-it's not a sound that's been used much outside of academic electronic music-I dig that about the Vortex, almost every show I do with it, folks ask me "what was that effect?" becuase they've heard a sound that they've never heard live before (like ring modulation or pedal controlled flanging or echos with the regeneration pedal controlled)... Also, ring modualtion changes the pitch relationships (or is it the harmonic content?) of what I play so, even though I may be playing a habit pattern (major scale), what's coming out is something new and different. Damn I'm lazy sometimes.... -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html