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In a message dated 7/1/97 11:15:17 PM, you wrote: <<Recently, on a public bus trip where they played a tape with those tenor voices in thirds singing about suffering from love and heartattachments, I came up with a tape of mine and they put it in. But at the the first somewhat fatter, harmonically still simple loop, the discussion started and a guy said that he is tortured by such music. I asked where it hurts and he pointed at his forehead. Why? Why did he not suffer with the suffering singers? >> Matthias, this is such a great story! I'm amazed that you can pop a tape in on a public bus at all. I can't even imagine this in the US. The Suffering Singers. That's a good name for a band. "I suffered for my music, now it's your turn." ( Frank Zappa) Jim