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In response to Chris Chovit's post regarding past venue success, and in particular his inquiry as to what gigs seemed to work best for me: Well... I don't know how one would gauge the relative "success" of one gig over another. Money earned(fee paid, tapes sold) , audience response, personal level of comfort( no gear malfunction or theft) ,perceived quality of music created(recorded or not), return booking offered, some or all of these factors seemingly come into play in the evaluation process. I would guess that for me the most rewarding work has been installation or multi-media in nature. I've done music for 3 short computer animation pieces (2 in 1986 for the Cranston- Csuri lab at Ohio State: "The Blue Chair" and "Images"), and these works have received far more exposure than any other solo work I've done(paid better too). Gallery gigs are nice in that you're not the sole focus of attention, which I believe allows people an opportunity to suspend their disbelief about anything to do with your "playing" or technique, and get on with enjoying the installation as a whole. The standard coffeehouse crowd has been kind of a mixed bag, it varies greatly due to factors you can't always readily discern (the ambient noise factor from food and drink prepar- ation will have a direct effect on your choice of dynamics). I would also add that Paul Mimlitsch's recent suggestion to allow audience members to join you on stage and "in loop" , as to improve your relationship with the crowd, is in my experience a very bad tact to take, and will only serve to lessen any respect as a performer you may have managed to establish (assuming it's your gig and not "open stage-loop jam night"). As a rule people's perceptions of modern music is jaded at best, and your sitting there amidst your boxes and cables seems to antagonize the "shut up and play yur guitar" mentality that is bound to be present to some degreee ( no disrespect meant to Frank Z.). All these observations are subjective ,and currently nerve racking in that I am actively contemplating a series of live performances. However the sage advice on this matter is that of Robert Fripp, who would probably suggest that you book a gig in the toughest place in town, so as to get on with your development as a musician, no excuses. If you're intuitive enough to figure out what the audience actually wants and how they hear your music, then you would be better off fiscally to channel that level of insight towards picking a few winning lottery numbers. I'm not discouraged, just realistic about the only species on the planet with the money to buy the tickets (or recordings). Bryan Helm Loop, Looper, Loopist