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On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Bret Moreland wrote: :::Welcome Ken. Audio collagist, I like that phrase. I never heard it :put :::so succinctly. I do this also, but never realized how to describe it. I was a paper collagist before getting into audio-play, so for me it was a natural term. It's also great because the term is so evocative and versatile: it "labels" you without limiting you! And it's intriguing. It gets people's attention and piques their interest. Of course, when they actually HEAR your stuff they might wrinkle their noses and think of OTHER terms! :) (This has happened to me...with dear friends who were somewhat at a loss to know how to react to my stuff...without hurting my feelings, so now I try to gauge a potential listener/victim's tolerance/appetite for "experimental" sounds before handing them a tape or pressing the play button!) :::Sorry I can't give you advice about the single tape machine loop. ::: :::The 2 deck looping arrangement you describe I can describe. The tape :goes Thanks, Bret, for the great 2-deck-tape-loop instructions! Now I regret passing on a recent local classified ad that listed the same exact R2R deck I have (Teac A1250), in new condition for $150. I coulda been long-looping quickly and cheaply already. Ah, well, I should probably save my money for one of these fancy digital machines. On single-deck looping, I have tried simply mounting a short loop of tape through both reels and the play/record head, using (in this case) a bent goose-neck desk-top mic stand to keep the tape from drooping. It works as a static infinite loop: basically just a simple looped sample. But the tape quickly wears out, especially at the splice point. And I've wondered if this technique is harmful to the machine because of the very light load on the transport system (one reel spins very fast, and I wasn't sure if that was good for the machine over time). (The point I had previously not understood about the two-deck system is that there is no actual >tape< loop--the loop is achieved electronically and via the two heads. Now I get it!) And actually, my SU-10 does simple (up to four simultaneous and different-length) loops so well I don't even know why I'm thinking about one-deck tape looping! It's a real-time, dynamic looping environment that I'm wanting to explore, with two tape decks or with JamMan, Echoplex, FX-98, or whatever I can get ahold of. My ART DXR, with its 2-sec delay has given me a pretty good taste of that kind of looping: now I want more!! Thanks again Bret! -Ken Fletcher