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Hmmmm... Actually, I use my whammy pedal before my RDS, which then goes to my JM. That way I sweep a note, then let the RDS's LFO slowly chew on it. Also, the delay time knob on the RDS lets me create some very deep bass notes I can't get any other way. All the noises this combo makes are so cool, I don't worry about being in tune. But, I gotta try putting the RDS before the pedalboard. That sounds twisted. Makes me think that if I get stereo echoplexes, I'm going to have to find another RDS as well. Oh God. BTW, it appears that the Dimension 12 also has an LFO. Has anyone tried this unit out yet? Reg At 09:48 PM 1/31/98 -0500, you wrote: >Yeah Reg! I agree that it's psychotronic to use a RDS-8000 in front of a >jamman or plex & reloop the pitch shifted original..getting 'em in tune >can >be a bitch, but can get outta control in a very cool way. Sometimes I'll >run >the RDS through a wammy pedal first to add octaves above or >below..aaaaaaaah!!