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hello all, sorry to jump in on a converstion, but in regard to the mackie vs soundcraft thing: mackies are cheap, quiet and they have excellent customer support. i highly reccomend them for settings where size, reliability and money are concerns. they should be commended for great products. But, they just don't sound as good as your average soundcraft ( not the new plastic boards, either). i have owned and used lots of mackie gear and have no complaints other than that the mic pre's sound thin. period. i dare you to A/B them with any old soundcraft or MCI or API console. sorry, but i mostly produce records for a living and think we shouldn't confuse reliability, price and customer service (all very important) with plain good sound. of course it is entirely subjective, but i've yet to hear otherwise from anyone who has checked it out. peace, r.