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Reginald Hunt wrote: > > The topics below obviously touch on some interesting fundamental points: > > Music and Artistically Valid Noise > > Yes I consider them different. Possibly Music is a subset of AVN. Or they > are side by side under a larger category(?) For me, method of production >is > irrelavant to whether I wish or need to hear the final result. Granted, > Music and AVN are broad subjects. They are not always about a final sonic > result per se. But sometimes they are. And sometimes those sonic results >are > meant to achieve states of mind other than joy, anger, or pathos. Of >course, > approval of those states of mind is an essentially political choice. > > By method of production, I refer to technology and technique, and also to > the envoronment the work is conceived in. Good work can be produced by > situations ranging from a lone person in his apartment to a >band/orchestra > in a live venue. But since the discussion here relates to Looping as the > technology/technique, I bring up the next point.... > > >**************************************************************************** > ********* > > My operating definition of "looping" has been this: > > Electronically or mechanically repeated time segments of audio. The time > segments would be at least about 1 second. Obviously, the time segments >must > be shorter than infinite, or else no repeat occurs. > > A person sitting at a keyboard and playing the same phrase over and over > manually is not looping, he is repeating. Yodelling in a canyon is not > looping, it is echo. The effects can sometimes be similar using any of >the > three. Which is why I bring up the next point.... > > >**************************************************************************** > ********* > > The purpose of looping to me appears to be: > > To create interesting repeating patterns of sound (Music or AVN) easily. > > To create thick layers of sounds unachievable in any any other >economically > feasable way. > > To create a One-Man-Band. > > Any uses of looping I've experienced has fallen into one or more of those > categories. Notice that I do not include any specific political, > psychological, or aesthetic goals. Looping in itself is neutral to these. > However, any technology or technique has uses that are immediately > suggested, and others uses that are discovered or developed after >experience. > > >**************************************************************************** > ********* > > Unfortunately, the human animal can suffer from the tendency to follow > sheep-like (or lemming-like). Ambient music has suffered from its >contingent > of brain dead devotees, as has Fripp. Originally, ambient music was not > intended as a hypnotic tranquilizer (which looping inherently lends >itself > to). It was meant as music which operates equally on different levels of > awareness simultaneously. Persons who assume that loopers are into >ambient > music by default, are a type of bigot. But don't damn a style of music >for that. > > Fripp has always been an acquired taste. His explorations extend beyond > music per se. He has always questioned the audience-performer >relationship, > and the effect of the music business on musicians. His actions at > performances are reflective of all that and probably more. He's never >been > about being a "hot" player. The many comments I've seen here and >elsewhere > asking why he doesn't "rip it up", or about him leavng the stage and > observing the audience, shows a lack of understanding about the artist. > > Fripp has never been about being a Looper, either. For him it is a >method, > not the point. Seems to me, that's a good lesson for a lot of us. > > Reg > > >**************************************************************************** > ********* > >**************************************************************************** > ********* > > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." <LiebigSA@Maritz.com> > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > Subject: RE: location & Loopers' CD > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:26 -0600<>Resent-Message-ID: > <"vt6_M.A.yJF.WJm10"@ferret> > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/2728 > Resent-Sender: SmartList <lists@slip.net> > Resent-To: rphunt@tiac.net > Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:29:25 -0800 > > Yeah, I tend to think of loops as being only a small part of the > live/recorded imporvised or composed experience. A small part of the > canvas, sometimes you need to do alot sometimes a little; sometimes > intense noise, sometimes tonal bliss . . . If all you are doing is > looping, well I don't know . . . are you playing music or IC chips? . . > . I only say this because I have friends who have gone this route and > I'm not really sure that it leads to what I consider an important factor > in music: human interaction. (Often have the same problem with totally > pre-recorded concerts or music concrete.) > > > ---------- > > From: Kim Flint > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:04 PM > > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > > Subject: Re: location & Loopers' CD > > > > At 03:44 PM 2/2/98 EST, paparuda o o wrote: > > > > > > > >yeah! even more, i would actually like to meet other loopers; > > > > I think that is generally a great idea, and probably my biggest > > motivation > > for creating this whole monster of an internet address! Get together! > > Collaborate! Share ideas! Real-live or Virtual! Go forth and Multiply! > > > > > > (pun intended there....) > > > > > > >it's seems to me that most of the loopers are into "ambient" > > >instrumental music. > > > > I'm not. In fact, I'm morally opposed to being an ambient musician. > > What > > others choose to do with their lives is their own business, but I > > resolutely > > refuse to have anything to do with this ambient stuff. I'm deeply > > offended > > by any implication that being into looping means I'm ambient. I'm > > proud of > > my long history here resisting the ambient tyranny that threatens to > > overcome all other loopists! I will also continue to resist shameless > > idol > > worship of this Fripp fellow. Soundscapes, poundcakes. Not for me! > > > > of course, neither of those is as sick as being a deadhead. Those > > maniacs > > are actually planning to open a Grateful Dead theme park in San > > Francisco. > > The apocalypse will arrive none too soon. > > > > this, of course, gets many smiley's: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > > > > > >so, please, if you have a copy of the "loopers CD", or > > >would like to share your (COPYRIGHT protected) looped music > > >can you let me know? > > > > that CD project actually is not yet completed. As I understand, it's > > in a > > bag on someone's shelf awaiting arrival of the still-vaporware-Layla > > sound > > card. Seems likely that CD #2 will arrive before CD #1. > > > > kim > > _______________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > > > i dont want this shit