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while i still have this minute for quick-think: in my "backporch" post that began to include my loop-desire-dealies, i inadvertently skipped some key factors, yo : a mixer. a mixer! (it hasn't escaped my attention that some o'the listers, here, have posted on this very subject): for almost 2 years, i've been pitching some manufacturers (mackie: no response, rane: passed, tone king: wants to do it, but no resources, chris davis, speck: passed, and now, rivera amplifiers: thinking seriously & mesa: interested, but passed) on building an overly simplified kinda "matrix"-mixer, specifically for loop-purposes, but: w/lotsa other potential apps. starts, here: we're talking about a clean 12:2 (or, 8:2, whatever) stereo mixer (!critically!, in 2-4 rack spaces) w/no eq but, maybe, for a lo-cut, minimum 4 selectably pre- or post- fader sends w/individual send mutes, mutes on all channels, panning, maybe 1 or 2 mic-pres, touchy-feely-knobs (possibly: faders, or both but: touchy-feely!), coupla selectable turntable/or cd inputs, a single control for the main stereo output, headphone amp w/separate output ctrl, and "main" mutes. the touchy-feely thing is important, as is the user's ability to get instant & accurate visual feedback from the mixer's panel: in this regard, some color-coded bright led's might serve. the full-tilt (good name, that: "full-tilt": catchy, even) version includes a stereo sub-buss which can be assigned to the main outs, or it's own pair; all channels can be assigned to either/both busses, and the buss-to-output control is a horizontal crossfader. additionally, there's a big-assed 4-way spring- loaded toggle switch which, on it's vertical axis, acts as the crossfader does (but, in a momentary fashion); on the toggle's horizontal axis- in both directions -the switch turns all mixer outputs "off". (this could be achieved w/2 separate 3-way togglers). the full-tilt might also include an onboard, accessible programmable matrix for the sends, and/or programmable 'scenes' for the mutes: while i don't think of midi as a necessity, here, i'm sure it'd have it's uses. in a connected warp, something similar might be included in the next generation EDP, or as part of a feature-expanding rack-mount "add-on" to the current EDP***: multiple, user-selectable inputs-to-the-looper. {while i'm on this silly wishlist crap: it'd be wonderful to have a metronome/clock in the EDP, whereby you could pre-set the tempo of a loop and see and/or hear some kinda stupidly obvious & accurate light/audio blip; not that i'm gonna even mention wanting to have a tempo calculator for 'wild' loops (ie, "post-set" of tempo), nor my evil hankering for a "fit-to-chosen-tempo" function)}. {***ya know, like ya buy the original EDP, 'n then expand it w/the new unit(s)?} which sorta leads me to my foregone (though maybe not explicitly-enough stated) desired conclusion: an open, intensely flexible, cross-marketable, beginner-to-expert looping SYSTEM anyway, i think more, but: the soapbox is slippery, and i'm outta time! best to all, dt