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Andy Wolpert wrote: >Any ideas on ways to get extremely precise loop lengths in conjunction with a tap in the length situaltion? Like generationg MIDI from drum triggers?< Yes, one could use a drum trigger to tap in the start & stop of a loop. That's something that I would also like to do once I get a MIDI controller (more gear ... sigh). Sometimes it just seems more practical to hit something with a stick rather than fumbling with your foot for the right button. One thing that I'd be worried about though is whether the actual trigger "source" (i.e. sound) is also to be included in the loop. Percussion sounds at the boundary can be obnoxious due to the cut-off sound transient (popping, etc.). What I'm currently doing is playing with a MIDI sync (drum machine) for my rhythmically "precise" (this is, uh, relative) loops. I must admit that I needed a lot of convincing from my bandmate (he's a remix guy)! But after a while, I started to get into the idea of playing with a beatbox - I now see it as a second drummer or percussionist. The machine that we're currently using is a JoMoX - an analog drum machine with a very non-realistic drum sound. This seems to make it cool to me - it no longer tries to emulate "real" (more relativity) drums - it has its own identity. This is the same sort of aesthetic that I also like in ambient techno, some d'n'b etc. but this is drifting ... Talk to ya later, everyone tell me some of your ideas! Rob