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Speaking Trilok Gurtu, of it seems that most of the looping technology is gear towards multiplicative rhythms, like 3 against 4 for while Gurtu and others often do additive rhythms like 3+4. I suppose this could be done using succesive loops of different (but metrically related lengths) Has any one tried this? Would the version EDP version 5.0 loop copy help? __ _/\_ / \___/ \______ \ Andy Wolpert \__ | Sonic Solutions \ / awolpert@sonic.com / | (415) 893-8043 / \___ __ ___/ \__/ \_____/