Re: scums stripper

[David Myers <dmgraph@bway.net>]

This is very curious.  It seems that I've made some assumptions about SCMS
which are incorrect.  As a test, I just did as you said, and put a disc I
recorded on the CDR870 (my own material, analog input) into my CD deck,
linked up the digital out and the CDR digital in.  Copied fine, as you say.
Then I did the same with a disc I had made from a commercial music CD (on
the 870, digital in)--and it STILL copied OK!  So I made a copy from a copy
of a commercial disc, all digitally.  When the heck does SCMS kick in,
anyway?

>>David wrote:
>>Only problem: SCMS!  Of course want to put my
>>freshly-recorded CDR into my
>>CD deck and make copies.  Does anyone know of a good
>>source for a SCMS
>>stripper?
>>----------
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that recordings YOU made
>YOURSELF (not copies of commercial releases) with the CDR870 would have
>SCMS present.  This was intended to be a commercial thing to prevent 
>people
>from making endless branching trees of digital copies:  eg, you make a 
>copy
>for a friend who makes a copy for a friend who. . . (you get the picture)
>basically, at this point you and all your buddies and all their budies 
>have
>the new Madona disk, and between all 1200 of you you only have one legal
>copy.
>
>If I read you correctly, this is not what you intend to do.
>
>Again, the disks you record yourself should not be encoded with SCMS, and
>even if they were, I assume (rightly or wrongly) that you only have only
>one CDR870, so any digital copy you made of your recording would be first
>generation (put your freshly recorded disk in your CD player, hook it up 
>to
>your digital recorder and burn another disk)  This is first generation, so
>SCMS is not even an issue.  Now if you want to copy the copy you just made
>AND if it is indeed a commercial SCMS encoded disk, you will not be able 
>to
>make this recording without a trip through the D/A converters in your
>player and the A/D converters in your recorder (VERY, VERY marginal 
>quality
>loss, not at all akin to what one would have encountered a few years ago
>with the old converters)
>
>So, even if your recordings of your loop band end up being SCMS (note the
>if) encoded, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to make copies for
>your girlfriend, her mom, everyone in the band and maybe even a few copies
>to sell, as long as you make them from the original disk that you mastered
>to.
>
>If your point is to archive old analog recordings this isn't even an 
>issue.
>
>If you are archiving DATs of your band (as you pointed out, DATs do wear
>out) you should be able to do this too, even if you source is SCMS encoded
>as these DATs ought to be first generation.
>
>If you want to make copies of CDs of commercial CDs, you will be able to 
>do
>this too, but you can't make copies of the copy (without first going
>through the converters.
>
>Am I missing something?  If I am, please let me know.
>
>-Doug Tapia