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I dissagree about the DAW. I believe it provides a vision to people that are less instrumentally inclined. Should music be exclusive? Should it only be a medium for the musician? Can't it too, be a medium for the artist, painting a picture with sound? Sure, it's sort of cheating from the eyes of the musician who may spend hours on a single track...but who or what does it cheat if the recording is an artistic masterpiece? It's made 'professional' production more accessible, more affordable, and now, pretty darn easy. Where's the cheat in that, other than the fact that the competition for success is about to baloon. You don't even have to play an instrument to write a song now. Should that be a prerequisite? I don't think so. I look forward to the - soon to come - musical artists.......isn't it about time that more music was art? What 'creative possibilities' could you possibly cheat yourself out of?...other than the desire to become a better musician......with DAW, it's no longer necessary in the studio. To maybe relate to some of the jampeople....if someone said that using the jamman was cheating...you should play clean...without effects....would you agree? Maybe to the purist.....but to not the visionary. The future is about doing different things and doing things better...the jamman allows that (or so I've figured out in about 2000 e-mails on the subject) and so does the DAW. btw..this is my last post, I'm jumping ship. Thanks for letting me in the group everyone!!!! Feel Free to respond or e-mail me at brown25@bionicmilk.com. later, brown25 ---------- From: Jon Grant <tianmus@aracnet.net> To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #138 Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:26 AM The questions were posed: does the venue of digital recording seem sterile/what are the pre&post production benefits? Some people complain about the actual "sound" of digital recordings. They feel there isn't the warmth of the analog sound. This is true (although not necessarily bad). This "warmth" of tone/sound comes from the inherent signal and harmonic distortion that occurs throughout the analog recording process. Also, low-end digital recorders don't have the dynamic or harmonic range of analog equipment. Whenever I record something to a digital source from a microphone, I almost always use an analog tube preamp. There are many of these around of varying quality. These add the distortion/warmth of the analog sound to the digital domain. There are also a few software plug ins that emulate tube preamps that sound very nice. There are, however, many occasions where I choose NOT to add this warmth to the instrument. I just record straight to digital, reducing the distortion to almost nil. As an artist, to have this choice of digital/analog tones increases yet again the ways in which I can express the music. Also, the obvious "cut and paste" abilities of the computer-resident recording/editing format are impossible for any tape-based equipment. If one can use this kind of digital editing and manipulation sensitively and in service to the music, then it becomes a valuable tool. Unfortunately, it also helps us "cheat" when time is running out of performances that day in the studio aren't up to standard. Recently, I recorded three songs performed by a person who was, shall we say, less than gifted vocally. I gave up trying to ask her to redo the tracks, hoping she would fix her mistakes. Finally, I sent her home, pitch shifted, cut and pasted, copied, deleted, and otherwise utterly fritched her performance into something that was at least close to being on pitch and in rhythm. However, it still resulted in a very unmusical track, not following the natural paths a song goes through in a one-take performance. The results when one cuts and pastes even the most musical of performances can be just as unsatisfying. It all depends on whether you can use the equipment to serve your musical vision or whether the equipment controls your music vision. By limiting yourself to simple cut and paste techniques, the DAW user is cheating themself out of a huge range of creative possibilities. 'Struth, I do babble once I get going, don't I? Cheers, Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus ----------