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At 10:53 PM -0800 3/26/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> OB thread related stuff: I think looping provides an interesting way >to add >> (improvised) structure to improvisational music. Since you instantly get >> repetition of a theme and the ability to recall previous ideas at will, >you >> can create something with more development, intent, and direction, >without >> necessarily planning it all ahead of time. And you can easily add >various >> levels of rhythm to provide flow and backdrop to other improvisations. >So >> it's a great tool to help you avoid the very real danger in improvised >music >> of meandering endlessly, saying nothing, and losing your audience. >> >> kim > >How do you accomplish this when you are playing with other players? > >What if _they_ also have their _own_ loopers? > hmmmmmm. how do you do it without looping? The single most important skill for group improv is the ability to listen. It doesn't matter what instrument you are playing or how good you are with it. You have to listen to the others and play WITH them. From there, knowing your instrument well enough that you can focus on music rather than technique is always helpful. Know the other players a bit. Possess a large enough vocabulary with your instrument so that you have places to pull ideas from. And of course, practice. Good improvisational skills, whether alone or with others, require practice same as anything else. All of this is true whether you use loops or not. specifics about looping? I don't really know! I'm waiting for enough mass of loopers to appear so that we can really start doing that and find out! I think it is up to us to develop the body of knowledge to make it work. Some here are experimenting with group looping, how is it going? What can you teach us of your experiences with that so far? On the echoplex we have the BrotherSync functions waiting for this purpose. BrotherSync allows multiple echoplexes to communicate their loop times and start points to each other, specifically for group looping. It's called Brother because all the units are equal, and any of them can define loop times for the group. It's there, just give it a try! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com