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Re looped 2 delite

        That's the most technically adept and accurate history of
drum-n'bass/jungle I've ever seen or heard, or read.... anyway.
you are sonically intact, my man.  

Tim Fitzsimons wrote:
> This is my first post to the list. I joined out of curiosity because
> the name loopers delight intrigued me. I originally thought more of
> you would be into sampler style looping (ASR-10 is my machine)
> rather than the whole guitar/delay/fx setup (I've done my own share
> of this back in the days before I could afford a $ampler..)
> Anyways, hi folks!
> Now onto my main interest (at least sonically), Jungle/Drum and Bass
> I'll give a history lesson from what I've learnt surfing the net and
> listening to the music - if it might bore you HIT DELETE
> In 1988 a new sound called Acid House took England by storm - by
> 1990/91 an new subgenre called hardcore evolved in which the driving
> 4/4 808 bass drum was complemented by sampled breakbeats from old
> jazz/funk/soul records. At the same time tempos were increasing from
> 120-130 bpm up to 145-160 bpm. These records were often distinguished
> by 'chipmunk' style vocal samples (timestretch wasn't invented yet)
> as well as a pot pourie (?) of twisted acidic drones. This was the
> genesis of Jungle (as well as many other styles spawned). By 1993 a
> distinctive darkcore movement had formed which was definitive
> proto-jungle. At about this time a new movement formed call Junglists
> and the main new ingredient was ragga samples and dub bass lines.
> At a tempo of 160 (the speed of the pitched up breakbeats) this music
> was perfectly complimented by a half tempo bassline of 80 bpm.
> This music exploded in London in 1994/95 and became known as Ragga
> jungle gaining widespread underground acceptance, at least among the
> open minded underground dance community. This form relied on samples
> of three main breakbeats, the most famous and floor smashing being
> known as "Amen", sampled from "Amen brother" - by the Winstons.
> This scene however became plagued by images of violence - the samples
> used reflected the very dark, violent nature of a life of poverty in
> Jamaica, as sung/chatted in ragga music. Incidences of violence
> occured after a certain gangsta/rudeboy element was attracted to the
> music. Consequently the scene suffered. Spurred by this and the very
> nature of exploration and evolution of sonic sculpture that defines
> jungle a new, separate movement evolved known, for want of a better
> term as 'intelligent'. This form was more concerned with atmospherics
> on a more subtle level with synth washes, ambient sounds and a
> general cool restaint - more programmed breakbeats, not the grungy
> old sampled loops (sarcastically referred to as Dolphin music by fans
> of the more hardcore sound).
> Principally the names Intelligent and Drum and Bass were coined as a
> way of distancing the new pioneers from the old ragga style which
> fell into a rut. By 1996 people had moved on from the ragga sound and
> many new subgenres of Drum and Bass began to emerge - eg Techstep,
> Hardstep, Jump-up - Basically its all Jungle though!
> As for breakbeats their origins are in 60's soul music - people such
> as James Brown would orchestrate a section in a song in which the
> rest of the band would break down leaving just the drums, 'giving the
> drummer some!'  - a miniature drum solo loaded with sycopation and
> funky groove. This is why these drum beats are so good to sample -
> because they are 'clean'. Incidentally the origins of hip hop date to
> the mid 70's when Kool Herc pioneered the oldschool break dancing
> movement (although people used to break to the old soul records) by
> taking two copies of the sampled break on two turntables and repeating
> these phrases, switching from turntable to turntable to form an
> extended break for people to move to. And of course the most famous
> breakbeat of all time - James Browns 'Funky Drummer'.
> I think the reference to backbeat describes the programmed element of
> the beats in this style of music - a simple backing track over which
> to sampled breakbeat loops can be intermitently inserted.
> Anyway, hope I was of some assistance and didn't bore ya too much!!!
> Tim Fitzsimons
> From:          "Lee Wordsman" <lwordsman@pirnie.com>
> I'm totally unfamiliar with some of the styles of music that have been 
> about on this list.  Anyone want to take a shot at defining jungle, d&b, 
>and the
> term breakbeat as opposed to backbeat.
> I also deleted Andre La Fosse's post that had his web address.  Andre, 
>I'd love to
> stop by your sight and hear some of this music. Could you repost your 
> Jason Secord wrote:
> > Leo,
> >      As far as I'm concerned, once you've mapped out your basic 
> > and layers of breakbeat and bass all that's left is the looping...  and
> > it is too much fun... A friend and I made some really cool slow-funk
> > groove a couple days ago by basically following this method, except w/o
> > a computer...
> >      I'd love to have access to software like Cubase and Soundforge but
> > I'm too poor to care at the moment.  We do our best impersonation by
> > composing a song on the drum machine, sampling the bits and pieces we
> > like, playing with a multitap delay (4 continuity I suppose) and then
> > actively mixing all these different "loops" at mixdown.  We've even 
> > known to use the MidiSync capability on th Jam Man to insure that we
> > don't go phase-crazy.
> >      Hope this gives you a window on what we do...
> > I'm totally hip to yer ideas leo and would love to hear em.
> >
> > ciao baby
> >
> > Leonardo Cavallo wrote:
> > >
> > > At 17.30 08/05/98 +0800, you wrote:
> > > >Has anybody tried a drummachine software program called "Fruit 
>Loops"? It's
> > > >kinda like "Hammerhead". BTW, when is the new version of Hammerhead 
> > > >out anyway?
> > > >
> > > >C H R I S
> > > >
> > > >MP3 traders mailing lists at http://come.to/mp3-traders
> > > >Reggae/Dancehall/Dub/Ska mailing list at http://come.to/reggae-list
> > > >Erykah Badu mailing list http://come.to/badu
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Talking about drum loops and drum&bass, I've found that's possible to
> > > recreate that rhythmic things without using a sampler. You can do 
>all the
> > > breakbeats editing and arranging on an audio seq. with really good 
> > > I'm using Cubase VST to build my drum loops and editing my Stick 
>parts and
> > > looping.
> > > The key for that Roni Size sound is not in sampling the single piece 
>of the
> > > drum kit (as you normally do writing midi drum patterns)  but using 
>parts of
> > > a whole sampled groove. You cut the bar in quarters or eights and 
> > > reorder the fragments in a new way. Try this method.
> > >
> > > I find the mix of live looping and jungle really interesting. Who's 
>with me?
> > > I'd like to mention the music samples of Andre La Fosse on his web 
>page as a
> > > really good example to listen if you like this kind of music.
> > >
> > > ciao
> > > leo