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Are you suggesting that creative brilliance is on the way out with computer programs invited to control and simplify matters? Would you consider Metalheadz's "Platinum Breakz" or drum n bass a lack of such? While this might not be considered an altruists looping cd, they still even by, I guess, software, seem to produce something approaching creative brilliance for drum n bass dance music. Mjh Reply: I was not attempting to make some lofty statement about the flourish or decline of creative brilliance. Technology (software, in this case) is a tool that creative people will, by their own nature, most likely use creatively (no different than the string orchestra as a tool). I consider computers to be potential instruments, the same as violins or guitars. Some people will make music and/or art from them, some will not. As far as your reference to Metalheadz, I can't comment, as I haven't heard their work. I was speaking more specifically about the Classical area of music, where the mastering of technique is a traditional concern and priority. Just as a beginning student spends seemingly endless, and often miserable, hour upon hour (I speak from experience) practicing his 4-voice counterpoint in the style of Bach, I imagine the modern composers who are exploring looping technology will first need to "cut their teeth" on the techniques before the largest creative output arrives. There are always exceptions, however. As Robert Fripp says, (sorry to any Fripp-heads, but I'm paraphrasing) "Technical proficiency through diligent practice must often be achieved to realize true creativity". Jon Grant Tian Music www.aracnet.net/~tianmus