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In a message dated 98-06-11 15:29:47 EDT, collinsclan@sprintmail.com writes: << You simply cannot keep a piano, guitar or any other string instrument in a perfect tuning. >> Just a thought, to stir the pot.... since any tuning system is an arbitrary system, and the music which comes of it is the end result, why be concerned with finding a "perfect" tuning? I freaked out when I read an interview with Mike Watt of the Minutemen... he and D. Boon got instruments, and were not even aware that there was a "standard" tuning, much less that the bass "a" string should be tuned an octave lower than the guitar's "a" string, so consequently they were in two seperate, abstract tunings... yet the music that came out is brilliant, and still stands up today, 14-18 years after it was recorded. like I said, just a thought... I'm trying to get my head beyond "the perfect tuning" or the perfect guitar or the means, and just open myself a bit more to the ends... - Bill Crossedout@aol.com