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Im not assuming to know what weil meant, but i say - Know for sure if the Biz is the game you wanna play, If so then Change the rules of the game and know just exacltly what it is your game is gonna be !! Jeeesh !!! too much emphasis on the "old dirty and rotten scoundrels" of the music biz slant...Yawn, big zzzzzzzzzzzz & so what ??? Commisuration means nothing other than sharing the air it takes to complain or rant bout somethin, ya know ??? Actions and or solid business planning are just as essential as any practice or knowledge of theory or performance dynamics and technical prowess. I've always argued you need to have the business side down 1st b4 u can even begin to think of having anything resembling a career in da bizness. Its not rocket science to figure out the Biz ( Its a rude but quite necessary awakening ) and it aint gonna hurt ya to have it clear in your mind or moreover in the minds of the folk you'd be interacting with day in and out as a band or project as to what the plans and means of operations and support are gonna flow like in effect for long term and short term goals/financial/career planning. God i sound like a career counselor here... Dont ya think its more appropriate and valuable to think along the lines of how do you proceed as a dedicated musician artist or whatever label you choose to hang on yourself knowing that the world is never gonna make things easy for you as opposed to the ranting diatribes directed at how integrity must persevere. Integreity always comes in many flavors, shapes and sizes but its truly authentic and admirable when its put into action beyond speculation and overly inflated verbiage. Accept it as a given that things aint gonna move your way unless u adapt to or change the rules of a volatile market u didnt create or cant even win in on its own terms. Otherwise, the best alternative I'd recommend is that a person stay in annonymity and be happy to do what ya do when ya have moments free and the inspiration to boot. It is rewarding and no less noble than having your reign of things on an idie or major label. Doesn't it make more sense to focus your energies into alternatives or cooptization of circumstances, competition and or financing, business practices & distribution ??? Doing homework on other companies or potential partners is mega essential ( getting credit ratings/D&B reports, Tax ID#'s client references, etc.) are things that can help folk connect with partners that will perhaps complement the direction ya want and need for your career to take off beyond the neighborhood cafe or PC. Why hasnt anyone other than 1 person ( Leo, I think ) presented ideas that relate to how u can get your groove on while still swimming wid da sharks ??? With all the technophobes here Im surprised that no one has addressed these issues with a tech savvy solution. I recently thought back to an article I read a while back in hotwired that brian wilson realeased his new album to select radio stations by using liquid audio and having the stations burn their own CD's...My memory is sketchy about all the details and im sure there are legitimate questions about piracy and royalty tracking in this procedure but it fascinated me and got me thinking about realistic alternatives to the packaging and distribution dilemas ive been caught up in & around in the past. Last, there are no gurantees in anything creative, Theres lots of BS People who speak in forked tongues and deal in dirty or stolen currencies. Al in all Da biz is just a # of exchanges of energy that are going to either help you, hinder you, crush you or maybe enlighten you to either the yin or yang of existence. Regards, JP Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > Bertholdt Brecht, Kurt Weill and Walter Benjamin have described what >it's > > really about in their writings. > > > Nutshell please? > > > Defining the problem as these big > > companies or this poor hit or poor me, the big guys are going to screw > > everyone over, is not the issue. If you did know what it was, I >daresay > > this thread would've ended long ago. > > > Ellucidate > > > > > > > > >