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Someone asked whether we may owe a debt to those who produced our fantastic looping toys and instruments above and beyond the financial price we paid. I would say if that money is the price they put on it, then we owe them nothing else. Similarly, if I decide that a certain 5 second clip of my music is worth some amount of money, than that's what the price should be: quite simple. Some people (including people on this list) put prices other than money on their music/art. That should be the artist's choice. (Some of us here expect critical input, or a trade of other music for our efforts.) If an artist prices his work too high, regardless of the quality, no one will want to take advantage of that art. I don't happen to have enough money to buy an EDP, therefore I will not buy one. I'll do without or find something that substitutes. Likewise, if I can't afford to use a sample from some artist's latest work, I can use something else or nothing at all. Unfortunately, it is not usually the artist that assigns the price to his art. Jon Grant Tian Music http://www.aracnet.net/~tianmus