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allright this is my first real post EVER to this list so I'm gonna make it good... I've been using the 8 sec digi for like two years now, and though I change pedals and guitars for every gig, the PDS 8000 and at least one PDS 20/20 (2 sec with modulation) are always there for every show. They are small, look cool, mine are in pretty good shape and yes you can record a 2 sec sample and then slow it down so it lasts 8 sec (sounds kinda like braaaaaaaa paaaaaaaa daaaaaaaaaa) My friend tyler has a PDS 8000 too (they seem to gather in Texas) and has perfected the art of using the side of his foot to speed up and slow down the loop, which is something I've never seen done in my life. My only bitch is that the sample/trigger function is kinda lost if you keep it on the floor because you have to switch it from record to play. 150$ is I guess what they're going for these days, and I guess its worth it, I just remember when these things were 20$ because every body hated digital delays... by the way if you find a PDS 20/20 multi play you should buy it! It is my favorite out of all the 2 secs, you can record a loop and then it will change the speed for you. while I'm posting useless info I might as do the listening list: OMD Dazzle Ships (definetly looper related) Seefeel Seefeel and more Seefeel Scala, Locust, and a little bit of Seefeel Dif Juz - Out of the Trees (does anybody like these guys?) Bettie Boo - Boomania (don't even ask me why because I don't know) Seefeel - Polyfusia OMD - Junk Culture (not looper related but my band is going to do a cover of white trash, yes I know this is kinda a dorky album) Colourbox out the ass. (does anybody like them either?)