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>Kim asked about the improv discussion and how it related to the topic of >looping. Maybe this will be more on topic . . . I like Henry Kaiser's description of free improvisation. He says that when you improvise freely, you create your own structure. Granted, the results can sometimes be tedious to listen to. However, I find that looping imposes the structure of time (the loop length) on my free improvisations. Thus making them somewhat less tedious for listeners who are unacquainted with free improvisation (especially those whose only contact with music is what they hear on TV and radio). The loop lets them hear the improvisation several times so that they can decide whether it appeals to them or not. For example, my wife and kids find my non-looping free improvisations to be annoying noise. However, when I loop a free improvisation, they sometimes (!) find it cool (or at least, a mildly irritating). Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com