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I have to say that Acid is the perfect tool for drum & bass programming. Maybe you haven't tried the key S to chop the loop in all the parts you want... tha basis for the breakbeat ;) I use Acid a lot but rarely whole loops going on and on. I think it's pretty boring in that way. BTW I mainly program my basic beats using other programs or my sampler. Then I arrange and edit in Acid. If I had to buy a prog for the next decade that would be Acid. It's really great and flexible (no warez... I had it for testing...) for ALL the musical styles. let me know it it's all clear ;) ciao leo PS It's really hard to have seriuos d&b tracks using a drum machine. Use only Acid with the classic breakbeats you can find on the Net and you'll have great results. Check ftp://ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming/Freeform.mp3 for a little example. A lot of this comes from Acid (plus A3000, VST, Wavesurgeon, Waves plugins, SoundForge, Wavelab, etc.....)