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ill take all the "free" music i can get but i am willing to pay for someones work....i work several jobs and have a family that has to put up with my spending every free moment, trying to create music...."wheres dad?"....."oh, cant you hear him!!!!"....."turn that down (we are trying to sleep, your driving us crazy".....i have always assumed that my familys artistic vision is the same as mine.......not so......i am nowhere near the point of making my own c.d.s.......i still use cassettes, and am quite happy with the results......andre is right, there really is no such thing as "free" music....there is always a cost, be it money for equipment, time, effort, and at times alienation of loved ones.....i would love to send everyone on the list a cassette of my top hits, just to get some feedback from "like minded spirits" rather than "i might understand this music if i were trippin!" and this comment from someone who has never tripped....yipes!.....an interesting question to say the least...the creation of music does not happen in a void......as i said, just a few thoughts......michael p.s. after the ice melts here in pittsburgh, i am going to look at a venue (an old ball-room on a 2 acre estate here in town, seating for about 80-100, sounds like a very nice performance space and i am also going to check out the possibility of taking over a bed and breakfast so out of towners will have a place to sleep, my house is not big enough.....i sort of envision a 2 day looper workshop, performance type thing if we pull off this north east looper get together.....facts and figures will be forthcoming......if anyone else is working on this project, please let me know, other cities other ideas are all welcome.....ive never done this sort of thing before so im working with only my own warped ideas........michael