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Andre, Well-said. i often imagine a world where some of my favorite musicians made different choices. Steve Reich could have become an academic philosopher. Eno could have become a chemist. Robert Fripp could have become an engineer. My world would have been infinitely bleaker had these people made other choices. Because of this sense of enrichment, i am glad to support, directly and fiscally, the musicians whose work i consume. On the other hand, mass distribution of music has been a horrible thing. Over and above the effects you describe in which people become alienated from the real energy and effort involved in the production of music, there is the environmental impact. Even if what i had to communicate musically had wide appeal, which i sincerely doubt, the image of a warehouse full of CD's and cassette tapes with my name on them-no chance of them gracefully bio-degrading for the next 10,000 years-gives me the shivers. i can barely face up to the consequences of the plastic i do consume, much less handle the responsibility for bringing so much more into the world. i relish participating in the emergence of a vehicle like the Internet by which i can learn about people who produce musics i enjoy and which allows me to support them more directly. When i think about a future in which that music can be distributed more directly from producer to audience with much less environmental impact, i feel a distinct sense of hope. On a completely different note, i was wondering if any of you loopists have been exploring yet another natural extension of looping: playing the loops by hand in an ensemble setting? Over the 11 years i've been looping i've gradually gotten interested in longer and longer loops. And i've been exploring layering loops of different cycle lengths to produce still longer loops. i've also gotten more interested in the human feel that arises when a group finds its natural tempo. (E.g., what one experiences in a drum circle.) Has anyone been experimenting with this sort of thing? i'd be especially interested to hear of other's experiences in this kind of setting. Additionally, if anyone has developed useful techniques for maintaining/splitting attention while playing long, hypnotic loops, i'd really like to hear about them. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [SMTP:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 1:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the CDs --> Liberate Music! > I would even encourage artists to give their music away for FREE! [Of > course, at this point in my life, I am still the consumer, and not the > artist, so I may be biased here.] Hmmm. I realize most of the people on this list aren't actively making their living through playing music, and that even fewer are making their living playing their own music. I've got no problem with people who want to trade or give away their music out of sheer goodwill or the desire to have their music heard. However, here are some arguments for an artist actually charging a price for what they do. (Hopefully this won't utterly reek of a struggling musician complaining about his lot in life.) Making music takes time. Trying to make music in certain ways can take a *lot* of time. Just getting yourself to the point where you have the technical facility to realize that music (be it practicing a guitar or programming samples in a computer) can take a *very very* long time. Coming home from working eight hours in a "day job" and then trying to muster up the energy and concentration to do a few hours of serious practicing (not just vacant noodling in front of the TV) is a hugely draining proposition. So trying to turn one's music into one's profession is often born largely out of the need to set aside the necessary space in one's life to pursue their music the way they want to. Many people who are serious about music have spent countless hours throughout their entire lives trying to hone their craft. It's not just a case of idly sitting around thinking about how great it would be to get paid money to strum a few chords -- it's a very serious investment of discipline on many different levels. A lot of musicians still struggle to maintain that sort of dedication even while doing non-music related jobs in order to make ends meet. To suggest to someone in this position that they might better serve their creative muse by giving away music they have recorded in the name of liberating the creative spirit, and then subsidize the expenditure by selling *t-shirts* of themselves, is a dubious proposition to say the least. The idea of "alternative merchaindising" (t-shirts, posters, etc) works well for a name act which has a fixed identity, an existing fan base, and/or "product value". People buy shirts from these acts because they want to identify themselves as fans in public, and be recognized as fans by other people who are presumed to have a knowledge of the artist in question. In short, you can get a lot of milage out of wearing a Marilyn Manson T-shirt at a rock concert. You'll get about 1/1000th of a mile to the gallon wearing a "Joe Schmoe, Internet Loopist At Large" shirt when you check your e-mail. You're absolutely right that online marketing and distribution is going to completely change the way music is bought and sold, and you're right that it allows the artist to eliminate the middleman. For those very reasons, the idea that the artist should therefore start giving their music away through this sort of medium is a pretty unsympathetic point of view. Just about any band or artist web site nowadays has a page of sound bites online where people can download samples of the act's music. Posting excerpts is the ideal way to go, since it gives a listener a taste of what the band has to offer; at the same time, if someone wants the entire piece, they need to buy the recording. The artist's music is exposed to just as many people as it would be if it were given away online, but the artist isn't forfeiting their right to try and get a tangible return on a lifetime's worth of work -- to say nothing of a very real investment of finances in order to get the music recorded in the first place. If someone is actually taking the time and expense to record and mass-produce (or even burn individual CD-Rs) of their music, the least you can realistically expect is that they'll want to cover the cost of doing so. I realize that there are people (including some of you here) who will and do go further, and give away these items in the name of sharing your music. I sincerely applaud your approach, but I also fully empathize with those who want (let alone *need*) to see a return on their investment. My experience has been that the average person who buys records (or for that matter, many people who follow music seriously and are themselves musically active) don't really have the first clue as to what the realities of trying to make a living in the arts is really like, either in terms of the situational realities of the marketplace or in terms of the psychological realities that an artist in that situation is prone to dealing with on a day-to-day or minute-by-minute basis. So, for all those who have no doubt spent every bit as much time and dedication pursuing their music as has been detailed above, and are still perfectly happy to have music as a hobby, a side interest, or a lark, more power to you. But I'd like every person reading this to do one thing: Think about your favorite musicians and artists. Think about how their music has affected your lives. Think about the investment of time and resources that it must have taken for them to be able to bring these things into being. And then think about whether or not this music could realistically have come into being if they hadn't pursued music professionally. --Andre LaFosse http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist