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<<On a completely different note, i was wondering if any of you loopists have been exploring yet another natural extension of looping: playing the loops by hand in an ensemble setting? >> I did. Theere was a time were I had no looping device. I used them my AKAI multitrack recorder to record and mix what would become a loop. I had then to "manually loop" the whole. ie play everything. That gave a quite different flavour (more organic?). Anyway, The jam man made me lazy. I don't do that anymore. Was better but really time consuming, and definitely impossible to use on stage, not to mention unsuited for improvisation. Olivier Malhomme