Re: a few other thoughts- no loop content

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<< > "The trouble with avant garde music is that it has lost its original
 >  meaning and
 >  now has as many rules and clichés as country or rock & roll. If in 50
 >  years
 >  time they will look back at the early 1980s, or whenever, and say that
 >  was the
 >  new avant garde era, that event must be avoided if we are to remain
 >  true"

< I don't get this statement... what was the original meaning?  There is 
great
 music being done right now that is devoid of any cliches or rules... if 
you
 dont wanna call it avant-garde, then call it something else.  I'm sure the
 musicians won't care what you call it!>

Avant Garde?  I'd have to say that the 'free improvised' music I have seen
recently has been somewhat predictable in terms of the structure of
the pieces, the way in which the players interact, and much of the
content of the individual players. Although I've seen a couple of soloists
to whom this doesn't apply.

Seems to me it's possible to be 'avant garde' without being an innovator.

Is it possible to have music without rules? Perhaps the interest lies in
the way the rules mutate.

How many times does a loop go round before it gets to be
a cliche.

Andy Butler