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Greg Meredith's post was right on. I've been using variations of this technique for quite a while using MIDI loops, but haven't been able to get the timing or equipment right yet for live loops. With my live looping situations at the moment, I'm not as concerned as much with having the loops converge. I'm mostly working with "hiding" the loop. My stuff is mostly atmospheric and having two loops of differing lengths allows me to use shorter loops that don't take as much stage time to construct, but aren't as noticible as they repeat. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/