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While we're on a few of these threads, I wanted to ask if any of you loopers have tried any fractal software such as FractMus (PC freeware): http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/ I've used this to generate some wild MIDI sequences which I'm beginning to use in my MPC2000. All in all, it's a lot of fun for a bit of freeware (8 different algorithms including Morse-Thuse etc.). I do believe there is a lot of similar software available, though. Are any of you using these ideas for your stuff? I know that people like Autechre and Funkstörung have been using algorithmically generated sequences. Autechre, for example, bring their Powerbooks on stage and play around with the algorithm parameters to make subtle variations to their "songs". I thought I'd check with you seeing as we're dealing with "Change Ringing" (thanks Dennis!) and the various Greg Meredith posts (thanks too!). rob -the man cable-