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The upgrade is not available commercially, it is only in 'beta' stage. Bob estimates that it would sell for around $200. It still has too many 'undocumented features' to release commercially. The existing Jamman software very solid and very stable. Here is a list of some of the 'undocumented features' I have uncovered: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman_bugs.htm At 04:16 PM 3/3/99 EST, you wrote: >how much is the upgrade? what is the upgrade? where can i get the upgrade? =-) >PJ > > > ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers.