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I like your observation about people's habits in purchasing hardware. Indeed, I'd like to have something added to my computer rather than adding another separate piece of hardware. On the other hand, as Kim has reminded us in the past, a separate piece of hardware like the EDP does function more reliably and speedily than a plug in on my computer. My point again, if I may, is that eventually we'll have supercomputers (comparing to our Pentia) which will behave 10 times faster than any separate piece of hardware, and we won't be talking about separate hardware as opposed to software or hardware installed in our computers. Further, I can see that, as we continue to see more and better outboard protocols and systems, such as USB, and the upcoming Ethernet-like MIDI, that we will begin thinking of the "computer" as the collection of separate devices of which we make use. Indeed, someone on the list a few days ago was drooling while talking about having a future EDP rapidly dumping to HDD a loop, even pulling from and saving to disk several loops <italics>during</italics> a performance! Makes me drool too... For example, I don't consider my "computer" to be just the box with the motherboard and the CPU, etc. -- it includes my monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, CDWriter, scanner, printer and, through MIDI, I think it now includes my synthesisers and MIDI sound-processing gear; this whole collection is my "computer." As computers continue to include outboard equipment, the line between "dedicated hardware" and "computers" becomes ever blurrier. But as you dramatically point out, as it is right now, people do have to make a choice about which way to go, either stompboxes-like devices, or computer "plug-in's." I happen to agree with Kim that, for looping, and as computer hardware stands today, a separate, dedicated looping device such as the EDP is best. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 2:08 PM To: 'Javier Miranda V.'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping My hypothesis on the Devices vs. Computer's for Looping -- it mostly depends on where you start evolving to looping from and incrementally adding looping capabilities to your set-up. 1) Device Approach <snip> 2) Computer Approach <snip> I feel I'm dramatically stating the obvious. dk