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<there is no difference between music and environmental <sounds, as John Cage pointed out. Your point is well taken. However, I must ask why, if "there is no difference between music and environmental sounds," people continue to make "music"? Isn't it conceited of us to think that we can make better sounds than those that we might encounter taking a walk, for example? Is the ultimate point of Cage and the other aleatorists (including Olivieros) to make us consider taking a walk to be as "active" a musical activity as making a music commodity such as a CD? It might be useful for us all to take a big step back (or forward) and ask why we prefer to strum chords and twiddle knobs instead of, say, considering the sound of our own breathing to be music. (As a former smoker, I can conceptually get behind "musical breathing"...wheeze, gasp...). Anyway, MHL.