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I tried this but kept falling over. Gareth > > just strap the speaker cab to you guitar body and turn it up to 11. > > > Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of > > expertise on this list so here goes:- > > I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does > > anyone know how I should rewind my pickup? > > Have any of you characters done this? > > > > Thanks chaps, > > Gareth > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: loop religion > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:40:03 -0400 > From: "jmw/cmu" <evening@ulster.net> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? > > Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've > noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to > looped material, which is why I made the connection. > > In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each > breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each >time > your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to >ten. > Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will > become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my >mind > these are all loops. > > Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration > simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the >mind > to > settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and >ultimately > you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I > also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just >really > small loops). > > There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static >rhythms > at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the > rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of >drug > use which also effects the brain.) > > Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not > the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just >aid > us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and > the eye sees itself. > > Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! > > peace, > > jmw > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: electronic > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:33:00 -0400 > From: "jmw/cmu" <evening@ulster.net> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >James made an interesting contribution: > >How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to > >simplyfy/extend their music? Do they use any electronics exept for >straight > >amplification of their traditional work? > > One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing with new > electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8 > different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla >machines > - one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really* > funky/clunky. > > So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont >see > Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon. > > jmw > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: AW: loop religion > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:28:47 +0200 > From: Michael Peters <mpeters@csi.com> > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > > jmw wrote, > > > Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and >I've > > noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening >to > > looped material, which is why I made the connection. > > ok, this might be debatable but there is certainly a > spiritual/religious/zen potential in a practice of listening, to loops or > just to whatever is there. To get the complete idea, I'd recommend the > books of looper Pauline Oliveros who spent years and years researching > this. The basic idea is of course that sound is always in the here and >now. > Listening *completely* to whatever is there in this very moment - > breathing, cars, birds - without judging, naming, wanting or rejecting >can > open up something new. My experience is that in this position, listening >to > music rather than to natural sounds is more difficult - music tends to > transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy > brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already. Of course, ba > sically in a way there is no difference between music and environmental > sounds, as John Cage pointed out. > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:19:18 EDT > From: DDemarc@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > In a message dated 4/9/99 12:34:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > steve@digitalm.co.za writes: > > << Has anyone ever tried using a subharmonic synthesiser unit with bass >guitar > sounds. I have heard them used to great effect with synth sounds >(incredible > doofs)! If they could work with electric bass I could have the phatest >bass > sound imaginable. Any comments? >> > > The EH Bass Microsynth has a sub octave control on it which does in fact, > "phatten" up the tone quite a bit. Use caution at high volumes though. >I'm > not aware of any dedicated subharmonic synths... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: loop religion ==> references? pretty please? > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 06:39:49 PDT > From: "Matt Rowe" <mattrowe@hotmail.com> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > hey all, > > can anyone here point me towards these studies, or some > literature/web sites on this topic? where are these kinds of studies > typically published? psychology journals? sociology journals? > > i'm more interested in the shamanistic side of things, rather than > the rave side. > > matt > > >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static > rhythms > >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about > the > >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots > of drug > >use which also effects the brain.) > >peace, > > > >jmw > > > The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial > message... > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: things that we loop > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:25:23 EDT > From: Hawkeye255@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > In a message dated 4/8/99 4:11:25 PM Central Daylight Time, >matthias@grob.org > writes: > > to the growing list of sampled (then looped) sounds I would add my list >of > traffic sounds and sounds recorded at a motocross track on race night. > Bill Reiter "Boomslang" > > << guitars > keyboards > basses > strings > didgeridoos > vocals > laughter > animal noises > samples > some > everykind of percussion imaginable > wind instruments > turntables > broadcast sounds from radio and TV > film dialog > found sounds > stick > washing machine hose bullroarers > Toddlers and their toys > fart and burp > human boddy > looping devices themselves > window fan > reverb coils > guitar and bass guitar > gutted piano > toy flutes > window fan > "Mega Mouth Warp'r" > "The Grossinator" > answering machine tapes > drum machine...analog & digital > kitchenware > metal cabinets > those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!" > water jug > water pipes under my house > video games > radio shack laser beam toy > squeaky violin > garage door > record skips > rake > styrofoam > analog echo pedal feedback > college students in hallways > garage bands > buncha toys >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:24:54 -0500 > From: "Michael S. Yoder" <myoder@tamiu.edu> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >What is the sound of one looper looping? > > > > It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability >of > a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated >silence. > > M.Y. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Dr. Michael S. Yoder > Assistant Professor of Geography, > Coordinator of Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 > Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: infinite sustain - a bit off topic > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:45:28 -0500 > From: Hoover Alan <HooverA@tce.com> > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > > You can go to the IBM patent search engine: > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/ > > Look up U.S. patent numbers: 4,941,388; 5,070,759; 4,852,444. There are > many others on the subject. Have fun! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: infinite sustain - a bit off topic > > Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of > expertise on this list so here goes:- > I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does > anyone know how I should rewind my pickup? > Have any of you characters done this? > > Thanks chaps, > Gareth > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: sticky stuff > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:40:37 EDT > From: Synthblock@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Rodrigo wrote: > > >>im going to be buying a stick soon(12 string) > now after talking with them on the phone(and perusing the web page)ive >become > confused as to what wood/pickup to pick>> > > I owned a Stick about 8 years ago, it was number 700 and something, and >the > bottom line is that it sounded like a Stick! What I'm trying to say is >that > I'm not sure how much the wood or pickups will affect the sound if you're > just trying to have the classic stick sound. I'm sure the "standard" >pickup > would be fine. > My favorite bit about the stick was that the pickup was in stereo so you >can > process the bass and treble strings differently. As a live looping tool, >the > possibilities are neat. > Good luck with your purchase. > Regards, > jonathan > (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block/) > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: microcassette loops > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:21:53 +0000 > From: "David Dale" <ddale@mail.one.net> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Dear friends, > > I'm looking to buy some microcassette loop tapes. Do you know where > I can find them? Please let me know ASAP. Thanks! > > David Dale > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot >lose." - Jim Elliot > > Christian Student Fellowship at Miami University > A God of Love. A Family of Friends. A Flame to Light the World. > > * Tuesdays 8:30 pm 129 Shideler * Fridays 8:00 pm Donatos Pizza * > > 16 East Walnut St. > Oxford, OH 45056 > phone (513) 523-3394 > fax (508) 464-0328 > http://www.naccm.org/csf > > Visit my home page: > http://w3.one.net/~ddale > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: EMUSIC Playlist > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT) > From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox) > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Playlist for "EMUSIC" > > "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each >Thursday > at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. >http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > > Show #109 April 8, 1999. > Host: Bill Fox http://www.wdiyfm.org > billfox@fast.net > > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on British synthesist Paul > Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list. The feature CD > at midnight was "Firedancer" on AMP Records, disc two in a series of > four. > > Paul Nagle : http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk > EMUSIC Focus : >http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html > > The sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival will take place > on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1. The next > Star's End Gathering will take place on April 24 at St. Mary's Church in > Philadelphia. Music of some of the artists who will perform at these > events was played in the first hour of the show. > > Alfa-Centauri : http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions > RAMP : http:/www.netz-gronau.de/ramp > Redshift : http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~redshift > T-Bass UK : >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html > > Star's End : http://www.starsend.org > Spacecraft : http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html > > EMUSIC Events : http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== >============================== > 11:00 pm > VA [Bios] The Dark Journey Sequences No. 21 >(Sequences) > Redshift Statis Ether (Champagne Lake) > T-Bass UK Time After Time Connexion (Thinking >Metal) > RAMP Generatorenkonflikt CD-R from RAMP (none) > Stratosphere The Opening Spaces The Introspective Spaces >(Amplexus) > Eric Snelders The Singularity Trap >TheSourceOfScarletDreams(Quantum) > Spacecraft Destination: Infinity >Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes) > Robert Carty Lightpulse The Mystic Choice (Deep >Sky) > > 12:00 am > Paul Nagle Firedancer Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Vulcan's Forge Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Sons of the Desert Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Aftermath Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Sword of Flame Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Sandalwood Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Lava Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Torchbearer Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Morning Light Firedancer (AMP) > Paul Nagle Forgery Firedancer (AMP) > Victor Cerullo Embryon Ludus (Groove) > Victor Cerullo The Signal Ludus (Groove) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on British > synthesizer artist Paul Nagle. The feature CD at midnight will be > "Skyrider" on AMP Records, disc 3 in a series of four. > > Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the > EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists > and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:03:28 -0500 > From: "Dennis W. Leas" <dennis@mdbs.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > > I must applaud this thread with the sound of one hand clapping. :) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Yoder <myoder@tamiu.edu> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: Loop da loop .... > > >At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>What is the sound of one looper looping? > >> > > > >It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability >of > >a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated > silence. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:40 -0500 > From: "Dennis W. Leas" <dennis@mdbs.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > > IMHO, Tabla are one of the ultimate drums. At one point in my life I was > debating selling all my other instruments (over 150) and devoting myself >to > the tabla. Fortunately, this temporary mania passed. > > Tabla are extremely versatile but I find it hard to get a good sound >since > they're relatively quiet. I usually use a pair of mics. Good in the > studio, trouble on stage. I haven't tried a pick-up yet. After this > thread, I'm definitely going to! > > Check-out the "mini-tablas" on http://www.tabla.com/tablahpg.html . >These > might work better for looping. > > Also, I have an udu "drum" that works really well. Lark in the Morning > lists them on this page: > http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/Africa . Mine >was > made by Frank Giorgini and I LOVE it. I had the opportunity to speak >with > Frank and can vouch for his integrity as an instrument maker. My udu >has a > small opening for a mic near the "snout". I use a cheap Radio Shack mic > ($25.00!) and EQ the H*** out of it. I find the udu extremely expressive > and a lot easier to mic than the tabla. Some useful techniques: > 1) Boost the treble. Tapping the udu sounds like claves. Rubbing the >udu > sounds like brushes on a snare drum. > 2) Boost the bass. While clapping one hand over an opening, insert your > thumb into the other opening. The further into the udu you stick your > thumb, the lower the pitch. > 3) Increase the volume until you're on the verge of feedback. When you >clap > your hand over an opening, the resonance increases, obtaining controlled > feedback. Vary the pitch as in technique 2. Rock out! > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > Cc: Edgar Silva <edgarzoca@sti.com.br> > Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:34 PM > Subject: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...) > > >This thread seamed to go OT, but we are simply looking for percussion > >instruments that are easy to loop (no feeback and interference >problems): > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: loop religion > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:12:55 -0700 > From: "Alan Imberg" <alan_i@sprynet.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > > I concur with JMW. I consider myself a spiritual seeker and have read and > practiced Buddhist techniques for reflection. In a musical context, the >most > serene and freeflowing experiences have been while looping. Have any of >you > listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? The >repetition > in their music is truly mesmerizing when listened to intently. I'm still > learning about the spiritual significance of music but my limited >experience > has shown me that repetition has some sort of power. > Alan I. > -----Original Message----- > From: jmw/cmu <evening@ulster.net> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> > Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: loop religion > > >>Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations? > > > >Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and >I've > >noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to > >looped material, which is why I made the connection. > > > >In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting >each > >breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each > time > >your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to > ten. > >Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will > >become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my > mind > >these are all loops. > > > >Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper >concentration > >simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the > mind > >to > >settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and >ultimately > >you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. >I > >also think that drones work in the same way (maybe drones are just >really > >small loops). > > > >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static >rhythms > >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the > >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of >drug > >use which also effects the brain.) > > > >Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's >not > >the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just >aid > >us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" >and > >the eye sees itself. > > > >Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee! > > > >peace, > > > >jmw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: AW: loop religion > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:52:34 EDT > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > In a message dated 4/9/99 1:02:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > mpeters@csi.com writes: > > << music tends to > transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy > brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already. >> > > perhaps a study like this can show us the emotional/intellectual "loops" >that > are within us....what triggers them and what happens when they degrade or > change......when i am physically moved by a beat, or when my body becomes > involved with the music then the playing field is expanded, (mind, > emotion,body).....music, loops, can transport us to a sense of the >present > and perhaps let us see the flow of energy within these three disjointed > aspects of ourselves.......wheres my coffee?.........michael