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>Incidentally, the sounds of the sitar, kanun and other indian stringed >instruments tend to be come less exotic when processed with modulation, delay >and filtering. Afterall, the sympathetic strings and and buzz timbres of these >instruments are really analog, accoustic versions of filtering, and modulation >trix. >Consequently, I tend to utilize these timbres as is in my own loop based >music... I couldn't agree with you more. Between the specialized "buzzing" jawari bridges and sympathetic strings (as well as the skin faces of instruments like sarod, sarangi, and dilruba) the Indian instruments seem to have incorporated pre-electronic "signal processing." Any additional effects really do tend to mask their natural timbres. This brings up a point about "sound worlds" among the various musical cultures throughout the world. In India there's a definite tendency towards overtone-rich, twangy sounds that are generally considered undesirable in western music (especially in classical music). At a sitar workshop I was giving once, someone asked me "Why does your instrument sound like a bad guitar?" This floored me! It does, when you think about it. But that's a sound quality which is pleasant to Indian ears. Similarly, in many African musical cultures, instruments are equipped with "sizzle mechanisms" such as cowrie shells, bottlecaps, jingling metal rings, etc. to add an extra dimension to the overall sound of the instruments. Whereas in the western tradition we've generally preferred clean and clear sounds from our instruments. It's nice to see that this is changing, and that "noise" can also be incorporated into music. I've even heard tell of Appalachian musicians placing rattlesnake rattles inside their instruments to improve the sound! It don't mean a thang if it ain't got that twang! Really enjoying the input of everyone on the list. James