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Stephan Ball's comment on the texture of conversation reminds me of an observation I once read about and have subsequently observed myself: groups of people tend to converse in waves of about 15 to 20 minutes. If you enter the state that Stephan refers to (perhaps we could call it a focused division of attention) you will often hear the volume and complexity of crosstalk rise and fall in these long waves. I feel it's important for all musicians to bring their attention to these kinds of cycles, particularly when performing live. On some of my best solo gigs I've felt I could "ride the waves" of the listeners and maintain attention to the performance by holding an awareness of this phenomenon. I believe looping in general has a real atraction for those who (either consciously or not) seek a resonance with these slower cycles. >I know this is getting pretty far out in OT land, but I often notice (or maybe >just lapse into a particular state) that when in a "noisy" environment >such as a >crowded restaurant, an effort can be made to treat all of the various sounds >(snippets of conversations, clinks of glass and silverware, etc., at various >frequencies) in a detached or homogeneous way. The result is a rather smooth >cacophony that rises and falls with bits of recognizable verbage coming >occasionlly to the surface. It takes a little effort to treat all of the sound >sources in such an environment as totally equal with no intrinsic meaning in >terms of language, etc., but the result is a very interesting and somewhat >exhilarating, "sound collage" experience. > >This is probably brought on by many years of intense listening to music of >various sorts (including my own) and probably fostered my current interest in >some of the more ambient derivations of electronica by groups such as the Orb >and FSOL. The point in all this? Uh, well.... > >Steve > > >K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >> .....If I keep any loop on long enough (anywhere from a half hour to one hour >> or more), I have very pleasant audio hallucinations where EVERYTHING sounds >> like it's part of the loop AFTER the loop is turned off. LaMonte Young kept >> carefully tuned oscillators playing in his home for months at a time, which >> possibly would create a similar effect. Comments from others? >