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> I have never needed to take anything, and any time I have its caused way > more problems than opened doors. The purest form of insight for me has >come > on the mat training in Aikido. > Agreed! There is nothing to compare with setting up a loop and then playing through a form of Tai Chi. When you finish you are in the starting posture - so just loop-on into another form. hmmmmmmm, martial arts loop. Jim Carter