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-------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com " Using the modulation width control with a delay line allows you to create pitch cascades that sweep as designated by the mod. rate knob. This creates some hands free havoc, but if you start tweaking the knobs while all this is going on it gets supernatural. The pitch range is great but its strength is on the low side were it gets really deep and resonant (watch those speaker cones)." -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- ..sounds like the 'deep modulation' effect in the t.c.2290 I had mentioned the other day