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Well, Michael Tuminello was looking for distortion. He NEEDS an MXR Blue Box. In one mode it's distorted, octave divided ring modulated hell. In the other, it's a really unusual synthetic sounding fuzz with sort of a clear high-endy sound.. Try one. The Blue box is especially effective looped, and especially if the loop is also sent through a Boss OC-2 octave divider and then into a Lexicon Vortex. As far as the RAT pedal, be wary that the current models are not the same as the old units and, in fact, the old units are in demand. They even came out with a "Classic Rat" which is similar to, but not identical to the old units. Another unit to look out for is the R2DU, which is two RAT pedals in a 19" rackmount which can be ganged together for super ultra saturated noise. Try before you buy. Your mileage may vary. There are a lot of possible distortion devices you could try out there. You might want to visit a music store and try a bunch of different fuzz pedals and try and describe the sound you want to them. Pedals to stay away from if you don't like warm, classic distortion: Ibanez Tube Screamer, Boss Blues Driver, TC Electronic Booster Line Driver, Chandler Tube Driver, etc. Twisted, weirdo pedals: DOD Gonkulator Modulator (distortion + ring modulation), DOD Buzz Box (Blue Box clone before MXR reissued that box), Electro-Harmonix Frequency Analyzer (twisted, weirdo ring modulation and other squishy strangeness), nearly anything by Zachary Vex, Boss Digital Metalizer, Penguin Love Game (really rare), Electro-Harmonix Micro Synthesizer (weirdo distortions + octave below + above with weird filtration), Boss Digital Harmonist, Boss DD-3 and DD-5 (loopers on a budget) delays, etc. He also mentioned that he wanted to go after a sort of Duran Duran sound, NiN,among others - some of these bands used TONs of chorus on the guitar, and compression too. So did Jamie-West Oram of the Fixx. I think DOD makes an "Ice Box" chorus for an especially penetrating high-end sound. Another good chorus is the TC electronic unit, as it has especially good fidelity and doesn't cut out any high-end. And don't forget computer based SFX - the weird premiere plug-in by bias called "SFX machine" has all sorts of weirdo stuff in it. I have a demo version and it's really weird. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html