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All this talk of distortion pedals reminded me of a question: Besides the Roland VG-8, is there a pedal/rack-unit that will do hex-distortion (from a GK-2a pickup)? Re: Ring Modulators-- I have both a Boss SE-70 and an Alesis Quadraverb+. Both RMs really grunge up the sound quite nicely, but I prefer the Qverb's because it has a wider range of modulating frequency (up to 300Hz vs 100Hz). Both feature hands-free adjustment of the mod frequency using MIDI CCs which I find invaluable to maintaining maximum "grunge" while I play (because if I play notes that are too close to multiples of the mod frequency it just sounds like "streched octaves" -- it's just the nature of the RM process.) I'm sure the Qverb+ can be had fairly cheaply on e-bay or second-hand music stores. Cheers, Jon Southwood noj@cedar-rapids.net