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I just bought a Roland VS 880 EX and will be spending a little time with it over the next couple of weeks so I will let you know what I find. I can tell you that both the 880 and the 1680 record 8 tracks simultaneously and the 880 comes with built in effects. This plus the fact that with the 8 track and a good DAT player you can bounce and record ad infinitum. It seems that with the added costs the 1680 is not as spectacular as I once thought. I was planning on buying it in the first place. --- David Gross <theorcolus@earthlink.net> "a great musician needs to be committed!' www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/