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<<Wife: "Who's that group?" Me: Huh? Wife: Who is that anyway? What CD are you listening to? Me: Um, it's not a CD, it's me. Wife: Do that more often.>> When that happens to me (which is not as often as I would like, I confess), I know I'm onto something. When you can catch the ear of someone who is (1st) used to listening to your mangling and looping or more accurately used to tuning out the aforementioned activities and (2nd) and who will go so far as to inquire about the good groove (or whatever); that's the time to makes notes, try variations, because you're THERE, that's what looping can do, can be. Of course you already know that. Ain't it great! BTW: I only occassionally create live sequences and loop over them (as per an earlier discussion). Like you, I usually use an arpeggio to start with. My Prophecy has an ok arpeggiator that is programmable, but my JP-8000 has a much more sophisticated one. Sometimes I get two different arpeggios going (one on the Korg and a very different one, in a very different time signature, going on the Roland) and use my sequencer to control the tempo only, which I move all over the place during the piece with the 'speed dial' . The polyrhythms that emerge can be mesmerizing. Then I add musically related loops and finally solo over all that with vocals and/or classic guitar, bass guitar, digerridoo, harmonica, accordian, washboard, kazoo...anything. Finally, I try to 'keep what works and roundfile the rest" with the pertinent details written down in my little notebook. It's that notebook that helps me decide, roughly, my 'program' for each set. EXAMPLE (from my notebook): [ SJI ] K...#3 R...perc #3 T44. which translates... {Saint James Infirmary Blues, Korg Prophecy arpeggio pattern #3, Roland JP-8000 arpeggio Percussion #3, Start Tempo=44 bpm.} I don't have any particular sounds chosen until I'm ready to 'take down the lights and start the show." But of course I have several favorites. Finally, my mixer is just as important as any other piece of gear, since I fade arpeggios and loops in and out during each number. The loops, combined with changing tempos, different instruments fading in and out and solos that are never the same twice, are what make each number a one-of-a-kind event and just as much an adventure for me as for the audience. The moment I get it all figured out, down to a science, the nitty gritty, the knat's ass, the final bottom line; I'll give away my gear, find a suitable large tree, assume the Lotus position under it and gradually fade away... looping: OMMMM! Bill "Hawkeye" ;-)