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Those parties utterly fascinated with the lifestyle choices of loopers and their diagrammed and/or listed "signal paths" should be, as always, be wary of past court decisions, which have upheld the criminalizing of certain behaviors within the state of Georgia. Those, however, who want to discuss what effects loopers use could probably give a rat's ass about such things -- although, re: rats/their asses, said parties might wish to review the above discussion re: Georgia/criminalizing of certain behaviors... But, whatever state you're in, you might be interested in the development of Digitech's line of integrated processing and its loopy application(s). I, myself, am a proud, deliriously pleased user of the Digitech 2112 tube preamp/processor (I am, unfortunately, a frustrated, embittered user of their Control One dedicated footpedal/continuous controller, which has been repaired three times already and currently needs to go in for Round 4; my frustrations with this floor controller do not end there, but enough about me). I consider the plenitude of effects available to be generally excellent and its tube distortion even-more-than-. In its off-the-rack state, one can access an infinitely-repeatable maximum of 2.8 seconds delay time. However, one can also, for the low, discount price of $75 (less labor should you not wish to sweat the replacement yourself), upgrade the processor in this unit to the newer 2120 version of same, bringing the delay time up to a salutary maximum of 10 seconds. I would recommend going the 2112-to-2120 route as it's much cheaper than getting a spanking new 2120 -- you might, for example, track down that fellow who's selling his 2112/Control One on harmony-central for $450 and replace the processor your darned self. Unlike other alleged "delay" units that are samplers in delay clothing, the Digitech unit(s) treat(s) the signal being delayed as a delayed signal, not an emulation of same -- changing the amount of time the signal delays, forexample, increases/decreases the signal's pitch accordingly. Plus which, you would be on the receiving end of all the attendant joys of 2112 ownership, not the least of which is the fielding of all those clever Alex Lifeson puns from rock music enthusiasts, of which, it turns out, there are many... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < -----------------------------------------------------------------