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"Are there ANY electric drummers on the loopers' delight mailing list at all?" YEP. my name is Dave, I live in kentucky USA. I use a Zendrum through a Alesis dm4 and am currently upgrading to a dm pro(what a total headache to program this thing). As far as looping i use a boomerang. the sample rate is still to low to do live but i keep practicing in hopes of the promised upgrade. the main thing i work with in regards to looping is laying down a foundation tract and let it loop. secondly i add percussion. after that i pick up my strat and start playing. i hope to do this live with both instruments on. IE we the upgrade comes out. I refuse to use any other sampler at this time. the boomerang is SO SIMPLE to use i could imagine trying to use any other machine. as far as not being midi capable that is just fine with me, who needs that 1960's headache. postaldave@qx.net