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"There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. " if boomerang would come up with their upgrade it would make ten sec. but than again your waiting for that i'm waiting for the new 'rang and everyone else is waiting for the echoplex. it would seem the music companies have really dropped the ball in regards to looping. postaldave@qx.net