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Here's a seconding of opinion regarding Vortex: there is really nothing else remotely like it on the planet. I liken it as a musical instrument in itself in many ways. There are so many things you can use it for. Not just looping, but big swirling textures. Here's just a few ideas: o post looper stereoizer processor. o instrument artificial ambience generator and environment simulator. o super stereo simulated leslie cabinet replacement. o audio tweezer and instrument mangler. o makes $99 casio synth sound like a $1500 synth. o makes guitars sound very textural and wonderful. o on vocals - very amazing. you simply have to hear it. o on drum machines - fabulous. tap tempo allows for making a drum machine sound like real drums - the delay ducker also works well in that the tap tempo creates all sorts of counter rhythms and the ducker removes the extra repeats so it sounds like a really good drummer. o I can think of lots more - hallucinogenic drone guitars, big oozing textures. The textures you can create are really amazing. The FX are sometimes otherworldly but the thing sounds consistently warm and wonderful. You just gotta get in there and play with the box. The presets IMHO are too tame. -t