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>>> mark <mark@grape.no> 11/05 12:46 AM >>> Thanks for your speedy responses, but...um... what/where are the "rotary encoders? Im guessing its the components that do the rotary effects, so Ill go home tonight and check to see if its only the "Rotary" type effects that stutter... Nice try Mark, but it's not related to rotary effects... It's the two knobs with multiple parameters. The other knob is the input level knob which has a smooth feel. There's the value knob as well which feels like the other two rotary encoders but I'm not sure if it's the same value and model. As for routing... Vortex does like being in line serially best. I've used it after my main guitar signal / after my looper / and on aux busses as well (some of the more radical helicopter sounds and pitch warps still work well on aux busses and allow you to move 'em around to various channels... The most versatile placement for me was on the alt 3/4 buss on my Mackie... There's an alt 3/4 button on each channel which sends *stereo* to the alt 3/4 outputs... then I return it to another channel so I can still loop it by sending on an aux buss. I could push the alt button on and channel to send anything I wanted to the Vortex... -m