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>> Travis wrote... << I'd say "no". >> > Nemoguitt (or MichaelNOTMiko) wrote... > so , independent loopers, when playing together, will need some form of "midi" or something, to sync them?........there seems to be something inorganically wrong with that outlook.......i hope it is not true, but then again, i have not played with other loopers........i have played with another musician into the rang, i.e. two players into one looper.....this was great fun........so travis, are you saying that if i sat down with a rang and you had an edp and there was some other looper in the mix, that we could not create together due to timeing roblems?....michael My strategy in a situation with multiple unsynched loopers is that the first looper gets dibbs on the rhythmic motif and the others are subjugated to ambient/atmospheric stuff. This usually works just fine because you can sort of pass the beat around as you segue from one thing to the next, leapfrog style. Makes for good variety and each member gets their chance to build their own composition... That said... It's extremely hard to really match tempos when tapping in 4 - 8 - even 16 beat phrases... but the longer the phrase the more likely you'll be able to hang together rythymically for at least a couple or more repeats. That's why (when not synched via midi) super long phrases are sometimes the way to go. Now with the EDP and it's quantize functions, I've heard that using a short segment and using insert or multiply to increase the length actually will keep it more accurately synched to a clock... midi I presume. But unsynched is another story. It's actually quite humorous (and daunting) how quickly a short phrase can cartwheel out of time despite an insanely concentrated effort to accurately tap it in. It's amazing! Now and then you can really nail it, but it's pretty tough. Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..."