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i guess maybe i tend to look at the glass half empty, but oh well i have my boomerang so i'm all set. so what about those old people living in B.C.? did they just decide to start counting the years backwards, then when they ran out of years they killed some jew and named the rest of time after him? ... and then counted time backwards, which is now forwards. anyway it's not important, except that i want a party for each millenium philosophy. other than that i'd like to say that loopers-delight is the OFFICIAL internet discussion group of the millenium. scott